1 00:00:03,139 --> 00:00:02,389 and it hits me oh my gosh this is that 2 00:00:04,249 --> 00:00:03,149 triangle 3 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:04,259 you know there's explanation for 4 00:00:07,309 --> 00:00:05,370 everything that occurred in the 5 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:07,319 Rendlesham forest incident that doesn't 6 00:00:12,220 --> 00:00:09,690 involve aliens at all it was completely 7 00:00:16,039 --> 00:00:12,230 silent it comes right over our heads 8 00:00:17,930 --> 00:00:16,049 it's so on classic flying-saucer really 9 00:00:19,400 --> 00:00:17,940 standing in the Clery he turned over to 10 00:00:20,779 --> 00:00:19,410 my father and held his hand and he 11 00:00:27,380 --> 00:00:20,789 looked in his eyes and said we're not 12 00:00:30,290 --> 00:00:27,390 alone welcome to podcast UFO for our 13 00:00:32,749 --> 00:00:30,300 live show we're live every Wednesday at 14 00:00:35,330 --> 00:00:32,759 8 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on the dark 15 00:00:38,990 --> 00:00:35,340 matter radio network please remember to 16 00:00:42,290 --> 00:00:39,000 visit the website podcast UFO comm for 17 00:00:44,180 --> 00:00:42,300 past episodes blogs and forums during 18 00:00:46,729 --> 00:00:44,190 the show feel free to participate live 19 00:00:49,209 --> 00:00:46,739 in our chat room and don't forget to 20 00:00:51,740 --> 00:00:49,219 Like us on our very active Facebook page 21 00:00:53,930 --> 00:00:51,750 hello and welcome to the show I'm Martin 22 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:53,940 Willis your host well a couple things 23 00:00:59,810 --> 00:00:56,280 are going on today we have our guest is 24 00:01:02,240 --> 00:00:59,820 Judy mezzo line and she's with the UFO 25 00:01:05,390 --> 00:01:02,250 Watchtower in Colorado she's coming up 26 00:01:07,550 --> 00:01:05,400 but before that we have Andy Fleming is 27 00:01:11,270 --> 00:01:07,560 going to give us an astronomy little 28 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:11,280 forecast of what's going on with Kepler 29 00:01:16,789 --> 00:01:14,700 which always fascinates me and just 30 00:01:19,999 --> 00:01:16,799 after that but before Judy we have 31 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:20,009 Alejandro Rojas on John Tobin our 32 00:01:25,550 --> 00:01:24,090 newscaster our new newscaster is off in 33 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:25,560 Ireland having a good time 34 00:01:31,429 --> 00:01:28,710 so we our news list tonight no news is 35 00:01:34,249 --> 00:01:31,439 good news I guess so anyway we're going 36 00:01:36,950 --> 00:01:34,259 to start right off right now with Andy 37 00:01:41,090 --> 00:01:36,960 Fleming and don't forget to go to 38 00:01:43,490 --> 00:01:41,100 podcast UFO calm that is and sign up on 39 00:01:57,310 --> 00:01:43,500 the chat room so you can interact with 40 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:00,950 and hi Martin and listeners to podcaster 41 00:02:08,090 --> 00:02:05,010 UFO to this week's astronomy segments 42 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:08,100 and it's an interesting one NASA's 43 00:02:13,430 --> 00:02:10,530 Kepler mission announced last Wednesday 44 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:13,440 that 715 new planets have been 45 00:02:18,860 --> 00:02:16,020 discovered in multiple planet systems 46 00:02:21,110 --> 00:02:18,870 much like our own solar system most of 47 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:21,120 them are smaller than Neptune which is 48 00:02:26,270 --> 00:02:23,220 almost four times the size of the earth 49 00:02:28,130 --> 00:02:26,280 the discovery marks a significant 50 00:02:30,740 --> 00:02:28,140 increase in the number of known 51 00:02:32,930 --> 00:02:30,750 small-sized planets more akin to the 52 00:02:35,540 --> 00:02:32,940 earth John Grunsfeld associate 53 00:02:36,590 --> 00:02:35,550 administrator for NASA's science Mission 54 00:02:38,810 --> 00:02:36,600 Directorate 55 00:02:41,150 --> 00:02:38,820 said that these new planets and solar 56 00:02:43,820 --> 00:02:41,160 systems look somewhat like our own and 57 00:02:46,550 --> 00:02:43,830 poor tend to a great future when we have 58 00:02:50,090 --> 00:02:46,560 the James Webb Space Telescope in space 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:50,100 to characterize the new worlds since the 60 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:52,050 discovery of the first planets outside 61 00:02:57,170 --> 00:02:54,810 our own solar system roughly two decades 62 00:03:00,890 --> 00:02:57,180 ago verification has been a laborious 63 00:03:03,199 --> 00:03:00,900 planet by planet process now however 64 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:03,209 scientists have a statistical technique 65 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:05,610 called multiplicity that can be applied 66 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:07,440 to many planets at once when they're 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:09,810 found in systems that Harbor more than 68 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:12,330 one planet around the same star it 69 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:14,570 relies in part on the logic of 70 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:16,890 probability it's a process that 71 00:03:22,729 --> 00:03:19,769 ultimately verifies multiple planet 72 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:22,739 candidates in bulk and is unveiling a 73 00:03:28,850 --> 00:03:26,250 veritable bonanza of new worlds these 74 00:03:31,190 --> 00:03:28,860 multiple planet systems are fertile 75 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:31,200 grounds for studying individual planets 76 00:03:36,590 --> 00:03:33,810 and the configuration of planetary 77 00:03:39,350 --> 00:03:36,600 neighborhoods this provides clues to 78 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:39,360 planet formation four of these new 79 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:41,250 planets are less than two and a half 80 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:44,250 times the size of the earth and orbit in 81 00:03:49,370 --> 00:03:46,410 their sun's habitable zone defined as 82 00:03:51,710 --> 00:03:49,380 the range of distance from a star where 83 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:51,720 the surface temperature and orbiting 84 00:03:57,229 --> 00:03:54,330 planets may be suitable for life-giving 85 00:04:01,280 --> 00:03:57,239 liquid water one of these new habitable 86 00:04:04,729 --> 00:04:01,290 zone planets called Kepler 296 F orbits 87 00:04:08,150 --> 00:04:04,739 astir half the size and 5% as bright as 88 00:04:10,430 --> 00:04:08,160 our own Sun Kepler 296 89 00:04:12,050 --> 00:04:10,440 is twice the size of the earth but 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:12,060 scientists still not know whether the 91 00:04:17,449 --> 00:04:14,490 planet is a gaseous world with a thick 92 00:04:20,539 --> 00:04:17,459 hydrogen alien envelope or is a water 93 00:04:22,970 --> 00:04:20,549 world surrounded by deep ocean from this 94 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:22,980 study we learned planets in these multi 95 00:04:28,220 --> 00:04:25,680 systems are small and their orbits are 96 00:04:31,490 --> 00:04:28,230 flat and circular resembling pancakes 97 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:31,500 not a classical view of an atom said 98 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Jason Rowe research scientists at the 99 00:04:39,650 --> 00:04:36,450 SETI Institute in Mountain View 100 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:39,660 California and co-leader of the research 101 00:04:45,710 --> 00:04:42,720 the more we explore the more we find 102 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:45,720 familiar traces of ourselves amongst the 103 00:04:51,620 --> 00:04:49,170 stars and that reminds us of home this 104 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:51,630 latest discovery brings the confirmed 105 00:04:58,280 --> 00:04:53,730 count of planets outside our solar 106 00:05:01,280 --> 00:04:58,290 system to nearly 1,700 as we continue to 107 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:01,290 reach toward the Stars each discovery 108 00:05:06,380 --> 00:05:03,990 brings us one step closer to a more 109 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:06,390 accurate understanding of our place in 110 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:11,130 space launched in March 2009 Kepler is 111 00:05:16,340 --> 00:05:14,010 the first NASA mission to find 112 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:16,350 potentially habitable earth-sized 113 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:19,970 planets discoveries include more than 114 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:24,330 3,600 planet candidates of which 961 115 00:05:30,830 --> 00:05:28,080 have been verified as bona fide a worlds 116 00:05:36,409 --> 00:05:30,840 for more information about the Kepler 117 00:05:40,010 --> 00:05:36,419 space telescope why not visit WWF 118 00:05:42,940 --> 00:05:40,020 forward slash Kepler thanks a lot Andy 119 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:42,950 and that is Andy Fleming from the UK 120 00:05:49,820 --> 00:05:46,050 always good to hear from him and now we 121 00:05:52,550 --> 00:05:49,830 have Alejandro Rojas coming up how you 122 00:05:54,860 --> 00:05:52,560 doing Alejandro doing great how are you 123 00:05:57,050 --> 00:05:54,870 good thanks for coming on the show it's 124 00:05:59,570 --> 00:05:57,060 always a pleasure having you yes it's 125 00:06:02,360 --> 00:05:59,580 always fun being on and I want to talk 126 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:02,370 to you you had a crazy week real busy 127 00:06:07,460 --> 00:06:04,890 week of a few weeks ago the 128 00:06:09,490 --> 00:06:07,470 International UFO Congress and let's 129 00:06:14,840 --> 00:06:09,500 just give a recap what happened there 130 00:06:17,300 --> 00:06:14,850 yeah we sure did it is always crazy and 131 00:06:18,529 --> 00:06:17,310 and it zips by so quick which is kind of 132 00:06:19,820 --> 00:06:18,539 unfortunate because you have a lot of 133 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:19,830 friends from out of town you don't get 134 00:06:22,460 --> 00:06:21,120 to see often and 135 00:06:23,990 --> 00:06:22,470 you don't get to spend as much time as 136 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:24,000 you would like with them when you're 137 00:06:31,189 --> 00:06:26,310 putting these things on but yeah so we 138 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:31,199 had several days of speakers over 20 139 00:06:38,330 --> 00:06:35,370 speakers ranging from NASA scientists to 140 00:06:42,350 --> 00:06:38,340 a Bigfoot honor so you know we have a 141 00:06:45,710 --> 00:06:42,360 wide range of the very conservative even 142 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:45,720 mainstream to the fringe I had mentioned 143 00:06:50,230 --> 00:06:47,760 earlier that I really enjoyed listening 144 00:06:52,909 --> 00:06:50,240 to Bennett what did you think of him Oh 145 00:06:55,010 --> 00:06:52,919 Bennett's incredible Bennett's awesome 146 00:06:58,610 --> 00:06:55,020 I'm a big fan we're big fans here at 147 00:07:00,650 --> 00:06:58,620 open minds he's of course mainstream 148 00:07:04,129 --> 00:07:00,660 talking about the mainstream search but 149 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:04,139 he also speculates and has ideas about 150 00:07:08,300 --> 00:07:05,910 what you know extraterrestrial 151 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:08,310 civilizations may be like and they're 152 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:11,580 very I think interesting ideas so I 153 00:07:15,710 --> 00:07:13,919 think he's great I really like Jeffrey 154 00:07:18,290 --> 00:07:15,720 Bennett and he's impressive he's a 155 00:07:21,230 --> 00:07:18,300 senior visiting scientists at NASA 156 00:07:23,779 --> 00:07:21,240 he was written a book with Seth Shostak 157 00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:23,789 and he informed us at the Congress that 158 00:07:30,500 --> 00:07:28,200 his children's books about space have 159 00:07:32,510 --> 00:07:30,510 have gone to the International Space 160 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Station and the astronauts are are 161 00:07:36,770 --> 00:07:34,410 reading about him there well how about 162 00:07:38,870 --> 00:07:36,780 that yeah now let's talk about the 163 00:07:41,930 --> 00:07:38,880 awards you always have Awards there what 164 00:07:43,879 --> 00:07:41,940 happened all those it's we do researcher 165 00:07:46,909 --> 00:07:43,889 of the year then we also do a lifetime 166 00:07:49,159 --> 00:07:46,919 and then we have our EBE Film Festival 167 00:07:51,529 --> 00:07:49,169 so it's a Film Festival for usually for 168 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:51,539 documentaries about UFOs but sometimes 169 00:08:00,409 --> 00:07:56,250 we also have some narratives or fiction 170 00:08:03,230 --> 00:08:00,419 pieces but yeah the the award went to 171 00:08:05,300 --> 00:08:03,240 Stephen Bassett for researcher of the 172 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:05,310 year and I think that's an easy one 173 00:08:10,159 --> 00:08:06,930 because that the citizens hearing no 174 00:08:12,529 --> 00:08:10,169 matter even though some of us have ideas 175 00:08:14,270 --> 00:08:12,539 of how it could have been done better or 176 00:08:17,270 --> 00:08:14,280 a lot of people complain that about 177 00:08:19,370 --> 00:08:17,280 different aspects of it there's no doubt 178 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:19,380 it was very effective as far as getting 179 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:21,810 the word out letting people know about 180 00:08:26,210 --> 00:08:24,330 some very credible cases and people that 181 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:26,220 are interested in this and it was very 182 00:08:31,730 --> 00:08:29,130 convincing to many of the people the 183 00:08:34,310 --> 00:08:31,740 former congressman who they presented to 184 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:34,320 so that was a monumental 185 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:36,990 for it yeah I agree with that you know 186 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,510 they're like you said I've got a lot of 187 00:08:42,050 --> 00:08:41,039 email people saying oh they shouldn't 188 00:08:44,180 --> 00:08:42,060 have done this shouldn't have done that 189 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:44,190 and then you can always look back and 190 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:47,610 you know hindsight but overall you're 191 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:49,890 right the message got out there a lot a 192 00:08:55,610 --> 00:08:52,340 lot better than it was before that yeah 193 00:08:59,270 --> 00:08:55,620 so the lifetime achievement award went 194 00:09:02,030 --> 00:08:59,280 to Bruce Maccabee who was a navy he 195 00:09:03,380 --> 00:09:02,040 worked for the Navy in optics and he's 196 00:09:07,100 --> 00:09:03,390 been in this field for a long time 197 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:07,110 analyzing photos some videos and he also 198 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:08,850 was the first to do a FOIA to get the 199 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:12,810 FBI UFO FILES hundreds of files files 200 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:14,850 that he says they didn't even know they 201 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:17,370 had so a really interesting stuff and he 202 00:09:22,370 --> 00:09:19,170 has a new book actually coming out very 203 00:09:25,460 --> 00:09:22,380 soon here Richard Dolan is publishing 204 00:09:28,070 --> 00:09:25,470 that and it's the FBI and the CIA files 205 00:09:30,590 --> 00:09:28,080 that he'll be covering so it's a reprint 206 00:09:33,140 --> 00:09:30,600 of the old with some new CIA stuff so 207 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:33,150 yeah he's got a lifetime of amazing work 208 00:09:37,550 --> 00:09:34,770 so we gave him the Lifetime Achievement 209 00:09:39,740 --> 00:09:37,560 Award time and he couldn't he actually 210 00:09:41,900 --> 00:09:39,750 make it through the write he's had a 211 00:09:43,490 --> 00:09:41,910 health issue so he has not been able to 212 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:43,500 make it actually the last couple years 213 00:09:47,570 --> 00:09:45,330 that we've brought him and that's one 214 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:47,580 reason we really wanted to give it to 215 00:09:53,210 --> 00:09:51,090 him because he is getting older and he 216 00:09:56,180 --> 00:09:53,220 has a having more problems at traveling 217 00:09:57,860 --> 00:09:56,190 so we wanted to give this award to him 218 00:10:01,370 --> 00:09:57,870 because he's done a lot of great work 219 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:01,380 yeah now this this International UFO 220 00:10:05,570 --> 00:10:03,810 Congress is such a big deal it's it's 221 00:10:09,290 --> 00:10:05,580 like one of the biggest or the biggest 222 00:10:12,020 --> 00:10:09,300 of its kind now do you actually start 223 00:10:14,030 --> 00:10:12,030 working on next year's right away we do 224 00:10:15,890 --> 00:10:14,040 yeah we start working on it right away 225 00:10:18,560 --> 00:10:15,900 because like you said it is the biggest 226 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:18,570 and I mean you've been to conferences 227 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:21,810 it's not like you know just a little bit 228 00:10:26,510 --> 00:10:23,490 bigger than the others it's like three 229 00:10:29,990 --> 00:10:26,520 times bigger than than the others I mean 230 00:10:32,060 --> 00:10:30,000 it's maybe more we get just a packed 231 00:10:34,010 --> 00:10:32,070 house it's absolutely packed with people 232 00:10:37,340 --> 00:10:34,020 in the vendor's room in the speaker's 233 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:37,350 room a lot a lot of people a lot of 234 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:39,450 researchers and ufologists and that's 235 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:41,010 what's kind of fun just like a normal 236 00:10:45,770 --> 00:10:42,570 convention people get to get together 237 00:10:48,170 --> 00:10:45,780 and discuss you know the field and 238 00:10:49,699 --> 00:10:48,180 people's latest findings so 239 00:10:51,860 --> 00:10:49,709 that's another thing we try to do is 240 00:10:54,410 --> 00:10:51,870 have speakers who have recent and 241 00:10:57,619 --> 00:10:54,420 research and interesting research that 242 00:11:00,019 --> 00:10:57,629 others possibly haven't heard of so yeah 243 00:11:01,790 --> 00:11:00,029 it's big it's really big so Alejandro 244 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:01,800 it's great having you on hope to have 245 00:11:06,769 --> 00:11:03,930 you back for a full show sometime can 246 00:11:09,350 --> 00:11:06,779 you tell the listener where to find all 247 00:11:12,110 --> 00:11:09,360 this information about well hey let's 248 00:11:14,660 --> 00:11:12,120 say 2015 and what happened do you have 249 00:11:17,059 --> 00:11:14,670 any like press on the last one oh yeah 250 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:17,069 we've got tons of press on the last one 251 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:19,529 you can find that at our Facebook even 252 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:21,689 if you go to Facebook and look for 253 00:11:26,299 --> 00:11:23,970 Alejandro Rojas you'll see it but open 254 00:11:29,030 --> 00:11:26,309 mind stat TV is where you can go for all 255 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:29,040 of our stories for follow up stories for 256 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:31,769 instance hoover richard hoover who is a 257 00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:33,689 nasa scientist who says we have evidence 258 00:11:37,910 --> 00:11:35,279 for extraterrestrial life he's been 259 00:11:40,790 --> 00:11:37,920 making a lot of news but you can go to 260 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:40,800 open mindset TV to read more about all 261 00:11:45,350 --> 00:11:43,170 of that that's great ok always a 262 00:11:45,799 --> 00:11:45,360 pleasure thank you very much yep thank 263 00:11:51,769 --> 00:11:45,809 you 264 00:11:53,059 --> 00:11:51,779 missed Richard Hoover the news Jase I 265 00:11:55,610 --> 00:11:53,069 don't know hope you having fun in 266 00:11:58,879 --> 00:11:55,620 Ireland hey so our guest coming up his 267 00:12:01,730 --> 00:11:58,889 Judy Meza line in the UFO Watchtower and 268 00:12:03,590 --> 00:12:01,740 we're gonna talk all about that and it's 269 00:12:04,730 --> 00:12:03,600 right after the music break hang in 270 00:12:07,220 --> 00:12:04,740 there don't go anywhere 271 00:12:10,119 --> 00:12:07,230 and remember sign in at the chat room if 272 00:13:21,879 --> 00:12:10,129 you want to interact at podcast UFO calm 273 00:13:27,350 --> 00:13:25,670 judy judy judy how are you hey I'm good 274 00:13:30,439 --> 00:13:27,360 how are you good 275 00:13:33,710 --> 00:13:30,449 so we're talking to you out in the San 276 00:13:35,949 --> 00:13:33,720 Luis I'm not sure if that's how you say 277 00:13:39,470 --> 00:13:35,959 it or not Valley out there in Colorado 278 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:39,480 correct yes and you know I've driven I 279 00:13:46,100 --> 00:13:43,410 was looking at the map today and I was 280 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:46,110 in Taos one time and I was living in 281 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:49,050 Colorado for I've lived back in the 70s 282 00:13:54,230 --> 00:13:52,649 and I drove I tried to drive back roads 283 00:13:55,910 --> 00:13:54,240 and I think I went through there and 284 00:13:59,809 --> 00:13:55,920 it's absolutely beautiful and if I 285 00:14:01,759 --> 00:13:59,819 remember it it's extremely remote do I 286 00:14:02,809 --> 00:14:01,769 have the right place you've got the 287 00:14:04,879 --> 00:14:02,819 right place 288 00:14:09,999 --> 00:14:04,889 we're located directly across from the 289 00:14:13,610 --> 00:14:10,009 Great Sand Dunes National Park okay and 290 00:14:17,569 --> 00:14:13,620 the it's a hot spot and I've heard about 291 00:14:20,090 --> 00:14:17,579 that for years for UFO sightings and 292 00:14:21,499 --> 00:14:20,100 when you bought your ranch you bought it 293 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:21,509 for cattle right can you tell the whole 294 00:14:27,319 --> 00:14:23,930 story of how this whole thing came about 295 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:27,329 well we moved down here in 1995 three 296 00:14:33,199 --> 00:14:30,720 idling cattle and but from the time we 297 00:14:34,610 --> 00:14:33,209 moved here all I had heard were UFO 298 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:34,620 stories from the locals 299 00:14:37,999 --> 00:14:36,600 and I just got to the point I didn't 300 00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:38,009 want to say we needed UFO Watchtower 301 00:14:43,340 --> 00:14:41,430 never ever thinking I'd ever do it well 302 00:14:46,850 --> 00:14:43,350 after four and a half years I found that 303 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:46,860 cows don't eat sand real well and they 304 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:49,110 just about broke me because I had to 305 00:14:54,949 --> 00:14:52,050 feed him year-round so I had to sell the 306 00:14:56,660 --> 00:14:54,959 herd and then it was a matter of what 307 00:14:58,280 --> 00:14:56,670 the heck do you do with the land you 308 00:15:02,449 --> 00:14:58,290 know because I didn't want to sell it 309 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:02,459 well one of the farmers talked to me one 310 00:15:06,340 --> 00:15:04,380 day and he said you know Judy you've 311 00:15:09,370 --> 00:15:06,350 laughed and joked about a UFO Watchtower 312 00:15:12,410 --> 00:15:09,380 he's got to put that up you'd have fun 313 00:15:15,019 --> 00:15:12,420 well by golly I've had fun but I've had 314 00:15:17,749 --> 00:15:15,029 experiences that I never dreamed I would 315 00:15:21,559 --> 00:15:17,759 have now I went on your website which is 316 00:15:23,059 --> 00:15:21,569 UFO Watchtower calm and you you I could 317 00:15:25,430 --> 00:15:23,069 tell you right away you I can tell right 318 00:15:28,490 --> 00:15:25,440 away you have a sense of humor 319 00:15:30,860 --> 00:15:28,500 that and and you're not really you know 320 00:15:32,660 --> 00:15:30,870 I wouldn't consider you a person making 321 00:15:35,420 --> 00:15:32,670 mockery because you've actually seen 322 00:15:38,060 --> 00:15:35,430 some things you you've witnessed 20-some 323 00:15:41,060 --> 00:15:38,070 odd sightings is that right yeah 26 324 00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:41,070 sensitive thousands we've had 77 325 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:44,040 sightings from just the tower since 2000 326 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:47,070 now there's a picture of a sighting now 327 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:49,620 well it's a picture of some UFOs is that 328 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:50,850 an actual picture of one of the 329 00:15:59,300 --> 00:15:54,690 sightings on your website I'm talking 330 00:16:04,040 --> 00:15:59,310 about yeah because that's a remarkable 331 00:16:08,660 --> 00:16:04,050 picture with the lights on two traps 332 00:16:14,830 --> 00:16:08,670 really really something yeah and what 333 00:16:17,810 --> 00:16:14,840 has been something now what type of 334 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:17,820 sightings do you see is it mostly lights 335 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:21,170 in the sky or is it actually objects 336 00:16:29,540 --> 00:16:25,650 we've seen just mostly lights the one 337 00:16:31,700 --> 00:16:29,550 object it was like 11 o'clock at night 338 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:31,710 we had over a dozen people there but I 339 00:16:36,970 --> 00:16:34,380 called it a cigar-shaped and it moved 340 00:16:41,530 --> 00:16:36,980 from the north to the south really fast 341 00:16:46,010 --> 00:16:41,540 it was God's maybe half a mile mile away 342 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:46,020 but it was just huge and I always like 343 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:47,730 it when we have sightings and we have 344 00:16:52,340 --> 00:16:50,340 multiple eyes watching you know sure 345 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:52,350 yeah and especially if you get it on 346 00:16:58,130 --> 00:16:56,010 video or you know someone takes a 347 00:17:01,520 --> 00:16:58,140 picture of it too that makes it even 348 00:17:04,850 --> 00:17:01,530 more solid have you had any like real 349 00:17:09,380 --> 00:17:04,860 serious investigators there oh yeah 350 00:17:14,329 --> 00:17:09,390 well let's talk about who's been there a 351 00:17:15,949 --> 00:17:14,339 lot of folks from MUFON and a Leandra 352 00:17:18,770 --> 00:17:15,959 you talked to him he's been here a 353 00:17:22,220 --> 00:17:18,780 number of times in fact he saw his first 354 00:17:25,610 --> 00:17:22,230 UFO here at our place he asked me to ask 355 00:17:26,620 --> 00:17:25,620 you about that off mic so wow that's 356 00:17:30,410 --> 00:17:26,630 that's amazing 357 00:17:34,100 --> 00:17:30,420 yeah how many people would you say come 358 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:34,110 through there per year you know I don't 359 00:17:38,940 --> 00:17:36,690 know per year i sat down here a couple 360 00:17:41,370 --> 00:17:38,950 years ago I have a guest book now 361 00:17:44,850 --> 00:17:41,380 everybody signs it but it gives me some 362 00:17:46,500 --> 00:17:44,860 idea and I sat down and counted the 363 00:17:48,750 --> 00:17:46,510 names and the gas book here a couple 364 00:17:50,430 --> 00:17:48,760 years ago and there was about 20,000 who 365 00:17:53,250 --> 00:17:50,440 have been through Wow 366 00:17:56,250 --> 00:17:53,260 and I I just think that's kind of neat 367 00:17:59,100 --> 00:17:56,260 yeah now generally speaking two people 368 00:18:03,260 --> 00:17:59,110 come only at night or during the day 369 00:18:05,250 --> 00:18:03,270 both or what what is what's the average 370 00:18:08,550 --> 00:18:05,260 majority of the folks who come during 371 00:18:12,150 --> 00:18:08,560 the day mm-hmm it kind of intimidates 372 00:18:13,980 --> 00:18:12,160 people you and I've told folks I said 373 00:18:16,860 --> 00:18:13,990 you just quit watching those horror 374 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:16,870 movies on TV because that's not what 375 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:21,730 this is all about so yeah we we get 376 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:23,890 quite a few in the evening during the 377 00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,530 summer but it's bitter cold here in the 378 00:18:30,660 --> 00:18:28,720 winter and periodically we get a 379 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:30,670 straggler in during the winter but when 380 00:18:35,430 --> 00:18:32,950 it's 20 below zero nobody wants to sit 381 00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:35,440 out you know yeah yeah it wouldn't be 382 00:18:41,550 --> 00:18:38,080 fun and this is uh if someone goes on 383 00:18:44,550 --> 00:18:41,560 actually on podcast UFO comm if you go 384 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:44,560 to the chatroom you can ask you can ask 385 00:18:51,870 --> 00:18:49,050 a question for our guests tonight but 386 00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:51,880 there's a picture I believe we there's a 387 00:18:56,970 --> 00:18:54,400 little video on podcast UFO comm and if 388 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:56,980 you google the UFO Watchtower you'll see 389 00:19:03,000 --> 00:18:59,410 all kinds of pictures and also you can 390 00:19:07,470 --> 00:19:03,010 get to the website there so you 391 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:07,480 constructed this what year in 2000 in 392 00:19:15,180 --> 00:19:13,210 2000 well and have you do get ridicule 393 00:19:17,220 --> 00:19:15,190 about this a little bit or you know I 394 00:19:20,030 --> 00:19:17,230 mean or do people take it seriously or 395 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:20,040 is it do you get everything in between I 396 00:19:25,650 --> 00:19:23,260 get everything and most of the folks 397 00:19:28,650 --> 00:19:25,660 they're pretty open-minded you know and 398 00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:28,660 I ask them to be open-minded when they 399 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:31,750 come because I give a little tour when 400 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:34,210 they come and tell them about the place 401 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:36,970 we have a Healing Garden out front and I 402 00:19:43,260 --> 00:19:40,570 take them through that and then inside 403 00:19:45,270 --> 00:19:43,270 the shop I've got all kinds of pictures 404 00:19:51,450 --> 00:19:45,280 and particles and stuff there for people 405 00:19:52,590 --> 00:19:51,460 to read and all I really has for is when 406 00:19:56,250 --> 00:19:52,600 they get finished 407 00:19:59,280 --> 00:19:56,260 at at the UFO Watchtower at these they 408 00:20:01,500 --> 00:19:59,290 gave them something to think about and 409 00:20:05,700 --> 00:20:01,510 that's that's all you can ask of anybody 410 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:05,710 you know but I've gotten a kick out of a 411 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:08,140 lot of people because I always whenever 412 00:20:15,210 --> 00:20:11,170 they come I always say have you ever 413 00:20:17,220 --> 00:20:15,220 seen anything hmm and most most of the 414 00:20:19,290 --> 00:20:17,230 folks will stand there and hang their 415 00:20:21,690 --> 00:20:19,300 head and shake it real slow 416 00:20:24,180 --> 00:20:21,700 well after they've talked with me for a 417 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:24,190 bit then they'll come up and they'll say 418 00:20:28,650 --> 00:20:26,650 yeah I did see something one isn't it 419 00:20:30,900 --> 00:20:28,660 something how a lot of people are just 420 00:20:32,100 --> 00:20:30,910 afraid to talk about it that's what 421 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:32,110 makes me think you know when they say 422 00:20:36,540 --> 00:20:33,850 there are thirty thousand reported 423 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:36,550 sightings a year worldwide makes me 424 00:20:41,250 --> 00:20:38,850 really wonder how many there really are 425 00:20:42,150 --> 00:20:41,260 because so many people just want to keep 426 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:42,160 it to themselves 427 00:20:47,150 --> 00:20:43,570 I mean I've talked to a number of people 428 00:20:49,170 --> 00:20:47,160 that have told me about a sighting and 429 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,180 you know I asked them if they have ever 430 00:20:53,490 --> 00:20:51,520 reported it and they said no and some 431 00:20:57,390 --> 00:20:53,500 people have told no one before they told 432 00:20:58,350 --> 00:20:57,400 me and that's I think that happens an 433 00:21:00,780 --> 00:20:58,360 awful lot 434 00:21:02,790 --> 00:21:00,790 now whether were there sightings on your 435 00:21:04,350 --> 00:21:02,800 ranch before I'm looking at the chat 436 00:21:07,170 --> 00:21:04,360 room there was a couple of questions 437 00:21:10,260 --> 00:21:07,180 someone wants to know how high it is and 438 00:21:12,300 --> 00:21:10,270 I was wondering it's it must have been 439 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:12,310 quite an undertaking as far as a cost 440 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:13,930 for that did you have to spend all the 441 00:21:18,210 --> 00:21:15,670 money you sold your cattle for to get 442 00:21:20,940 --> 00:21:18,220 that thing up yeah I had a business that 443 00:21:22,770 --> 00:21:20,950 I was trying to sell in Denver and so 444 00:21:30,750 --> 00:21:22,780 the proceeds from that business helped 445 00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:30,760 me to build this it's just just been 446 00:21:36,270 --> 00:21:32,800 phenomenal the reactions that I've 447 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:36,280 gotten you know some people well there's 448 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:38,350 a lot of folks that giggle about it when 449 00:21:46,380 --> 00:21:43,570 they come in but like I said when they 450 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:46,390 do by the time they leave they're not 451 00:21:51,330 --> 00:21:48,690 dealing anymore they're thinking yeah 452 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:51,340 now someone wants to know how tall the 453 00:21:55,260 --> 00:21:53,050 tower is it's not a real tall tower it's 454 00:21:58,110 --> 00:21:55,270 more or less an observation area isn't 455 00:22:03,090 --> 00:21:58,120 it right right he would seventy six 456 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:03,100 hundred feet here moving with we put the 457 00:22:06,630 --> 00:22:04,210 tower up at ten 458 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:06,640 to a high and it gets you up off the lay 459 00:22:12,050 --> 00:22:09,010 of the land but gosh how much higher do 460 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:12,060 you have to go you know yeah absolutely 461 00:22:19,350 --> 00:22:16,570 and have I I know I'm thinking about a 462 00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:19,360 year ago I saw a documentary I don't 463 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:21,160 know when it was made but it was on the 464 00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:23,530 valley there and all the the sightings 465 00:22:28,410 --> 00:22:25,900 that happened there and why do you 466 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:28,420 suppose that is it's such a hot spot is 467 00:22:35,070 --> 00:22:31,570 there any theories about that there's 468 00:22:36,750 --> 00:22:35,080 all kinds of ideas some say that in 469 00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:36,760 Mount Blanc at the big mountain over 470 00:22:41,220 --> 00:22:39,160 here that there's an ET base in that and 471 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:41,230 it wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't 472 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:43,810 because I mean I get reports all the 473 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:45,580 time of people seeing things flying 474 00:22:49,860 --> 00:22:47,530 around over there 475 00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:49,870 some say it's the spirituality of the 476 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:52,240 valley the Native Americans considered 477 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:54,490 the valley floor sacred so they would 478 00:22:59,340 --> 00:22:57,250 not fight on the valley floor they would 479 00:23:02,310 --> 00:22:59,350 go on the mountains and fight really 480 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:02,320 yeah isn't that interesting I think so 481 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:02,650 too 482 00:23:10,110 --> 00:23:07,210 hmm and then others others say that it's 483 00:23:12,930 --> 00:23:10,120 the vastness of the valley because the 484 00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:12,940 valley is like 75 miles wide and 100 485 00:23:19,710 --> 00:23:16,000 miles long but we don't have a lot of 486 00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,720 people who live here maybe 45,000 so you 487 00:23:25,500 --> 00:23:21,840 know like no light pollution for one 488 00:23:28,350 --> 00:23:25,510 hardly any yeah and from our place I own 489 00:23:32,060 --> 00:23:28,360 all the land around it so I can pretty 490 00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:32,070 much control the light pollution and 491 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:34,900 that's why I have the land I'm kind of 492 00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:40,750 people want to buy it not a magazine 493 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:43,120 from Great Britain and in there it said 494 00:23:48,780 --> 00:23:45,790 that the majority of their sightings was 495 00:23:51,330 --> 00:23:48,790 where there were hot water wells mm-hmm 496 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:51,340 we'll see this valley is full of hot 497 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:55,210 water wells and that makes sense to me 498 00:23:59,520 --> 00:23:57,730 more so than the other things yeah I 499 00:24:02,040 --> 00:23:59,530 always try to find something that makes 500 00:24:03,150 --> 00:24:02,050 a little bit of sense and that kind of 501 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:03,160 makes sense to me 502 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:05,050 you know a lot of times there's 503 00:24:11,070 --> 00:24:07,930 speculation of what these things are and 504 00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,080 there's never been an answer who knows 505 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:13,120 if in our lifetime there will be an 506 00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,850 answer a lot of people that come there 507 00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:17,440 do they think they're actually seeing 508 00:24:21,389 --> 00:24:18,080 alien 509 00:24:24,639 --> 00:24:21,399 so you know did they talk about that a 510 00:24:26,919 --> 00:24:24,649 lot of people think I should have them 511 00:24:33,370 --> 00:24:26,929 sitting there waiting to greet them you 512 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:33,380 know you know we talked about it a lot 513 00:24:40,450 --> 00:24:37,210 over there I was reading a book from 514 00:24:43,659 --> 00:24:40,460 Jeane Dixon the Jim Dickinson wrote and 515 00:24:46,769 --> 00:24:43,669 it was on the mysteries and secrets of 516 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:46,779 the world and in there she talked about 517 00:24:52,509 --> 00:24:50,210 extraterrestrials and she says that they 518 00:24:55,120 --> 00:24:52,519 are already walking amongst us and that 519 00:24:58,269 --> 00:24:55,130 they look just like us that wouldn't 520 00:25:01,590 --> 00:24:58,279 surprise me either you know yep you know 521 00:25:05,289 --> 00:25:01,600 I I've talked to someone years ago that 522 00:25:07,570 --> 00:25:05,299 you know had the the theory of that you 523 00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:07,580 know we're seated you know type of thing 524 00:25:13,029 --> 00:25:10,159 and yeah I don't know you know I mean 525 00:25:14,409 --> 00:25:13,039 the more you try to uncover it just 526 00:25:15,850 --> 00:25:14,419 seems like the less you know about 527 00:25:18,330 --> 00:25:15,860 what's going on you know some people 528 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:18,340 would say that they think there might be 529 00:25:23,889 --> 00:25:22,250 interdimensional or time travelers you 530 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:23,899 know you hear all different kinds of 531 00:25:29,500 --> 00:25:25,700 theories about what they could possibly 532 00:25:32,409 --> 00:25:29,510 be and it's all all interesting and you 533 00:25:34,450 --> 00:25:32,419 know if you're keeping an open mind it's 534 00:25:37,509 --> 00:25:34,460 really fascinating to look at each 535 00:25:39,879 --> 00:25:37,519 aspect of possibilities and they could 536 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:39,889 all be be right you know who knows 537 00:25:43,419 --> 00:25:40,970 that's trippy 538 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,429 has anyone ever seen anything land out 539 00:25:48,490 --> 00:25:45,760 in the valley that you're aware 540 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:48,500 um down by Villa Grove 541 00:25:52,180 --> 00:25:50,690 I had asked right shortly after I opened 542 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:52,190 I had a lot of people come in and tell 543 00:25:57,250 --> 00:25:54,289 me that they had seen one from the 544 00:25:59,799 --> 00:25:57,260 highway that had landed and I said well 545 00:26:03,549 --> 00:25:59,809 did you go look oh my good god no we put 546 00:26:05,620 --> 00:26:03,559 the pedal to the metal too bad so and 547 00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:05,630 then another one was down here by 548 00:26:10,629 --> 00:26:08,840 Antonito and I had a lady in who told me 549 00:26:13,090 --> 00:26:10,639 that she and her sister witnessed one 550 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:13,100 land down there but again they wouldn't 551 00:26:22,180 --> 00:26:14,240 go go near it 552 00:26:26,049 --> 00:26:22,190 see now I'm stupid enough I go yeah yeah 553 00:26:29,379 --> 00:26:26,059 now do you also get some real fringe 554 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:29,389 type people that are very colorful there 555 00:26:33,620 --> 00:26:31,770 as well I mean 556 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:33,630 yes you do and do you have like one 557 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:34,890 other thing I thought of do have like 558 00:26:42,170 --> 00:26:39,450 regulars well we used to have regulars 559 00:26:43,820 --> 00:26:42,180 for the first maybe 10 years and then 560 00:26:48,530 --> 00:26:43,830 they move to other parts of the country 561 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:48,540 but but I always it seems like folks put 562 00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:51,450 us on there where to go list when they 563 00:26:55,810 --> 00:26:53,940 come to the valley so I get to see the 564 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:55,820 number of people over and over and over 565 00:27:02,030 --> 00:26:59,010 mm-hmm now before you had ever moved 566 00:27:04,090 --> 00:27:02,040 there well well let me ask you this what 567 00:27:07,580 --> 00:27:04,100 made you move there and to begin with 568 00:27:11,210 --> 00:27:07,590 price of the land and you bought a lot 569 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:11,220 of it it sounds like I did I have 600 570 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:14,850 acres oh my goodness wow that's like is 571 00:27:21,020 --> 00:27:16,800 that that's more than a mile isn't it or 572 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:21,030 is it a 640 is one square mile and see I 573 00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:23,370 really messed it up because my son got 574 00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:26,160 out of the Navy and wanted to live here 575 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:30,060 so I gave him 40 acres so you mister 576 00:27:36,350 --> 00:27:34,130 mile so I meant I had it once 577 00:27:39,830 --> 00:27:36,360 Wow wow that's amazing 578 00:27:42,170 --> 00:27:39,840 and so you bought it because the land 579 00:27:44,030 --> 00:27:42,180 was a really good buy it but like I said 580 00:27:47,690 --> 00:27:44,040 I would I drove through there 581 00:27:50,290 --> 00:27:47,700 and I remember it up in that part of 582 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:50,300 like northern Mexico into Colorado 583 00:27:55,550 --> 00:27:54,210 feeling I don't know it was I can't 584 00:27:57,770 --> 00:27:55,560 really describe the feeling but I 585 00:28:01,010 --> 00:27:57,780 remember I was having trouble with my 586 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:01,020 car and I felt kind of isolated and 587 00:28:10,580 --> 00:28:04,980 nervous I guess if you really want to be 588 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:10,590 alone that it's a good place to go and 589 00:28:14,180 --> 00:28:12,450 so that must you know the people that 590 00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:14,190 live there must be real Hardy like 591 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:16,230 yourself you know I mean to to be able 592 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:19,970 to survive and sort of an isolated area 593 00:28:25,460 --> 00:28:23,250 and you know you have to like Dan alone 594 00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,470 now drop the grandkids and that's it 595 00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:28,020 because we didn't have a mall here our 596 00:28:33,530 --> 00:28:31,800 mall was Kmart or Walmart and so they 597 00:28:36,020 --> 00:28:33,540 wanted to go to a real mall you know 598 00:28:37,550 --> 00:28:36,030 which we don't have and it's probably 599 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:37,560 like a hundred miles away or something 600 00:28:46,190 --> 00:28:43,530 right yeah yeah yeah so can you talk 601 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:46,200 about has people like Stan 602 00:28:50,180 --> 00:28:48,090 Friedman never been there or someone 603 00:28:52,420 --> 00:28:50,190 like that any any people of note that 604 00:28:59,180 --> 00:28:52,430 you can talk about that has shown him 605 00:29:01,460 --> 00:28:59,190 besides Steven Greer has yeah and see he 606 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:01,470 has he holds these workshops every 607 00:29:07,670 --> 00:29:03,210 summer up in Creston 608 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:07,680 and so it's funny how the the people who 609 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:10,170 go to those workshops will come over to 610 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:12,330 the tower to practice you know how to 611 00:29:16,910 --> 00:29:14,490 get it kicked out of him but yeah he's 612 00:29:18,850 --> 00:29:16,920 been there a number of times yeah that 613 00:29:20,990 --> 00:29:18,860 makes that make sense 614 00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:21,000 yeah there's there's a little bit of 615 00:29:25,580 --> 00:29:23,550 controversy about those whole things 616 00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:25,590 with Greer I'm not going to get into it 617 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:28,710 on this podcast but I do want to say one 618 00:29:33,020 --> 00:29:30,330 thing we brought this we did bring this 619 00:29:35,660 --> 00:29:33,030 up before that he actually charged 620 00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:35,670 people for taking a picture of 621 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:38,460 themselves inside of an invisible UFO 622 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:46,060 interesting to say the least 623 00:29:54,770 --> 00:29:52,740 so as far as your your tower there what 624 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:54,780 what do you plan for the future of the 625 00:29:59,780 --> 00:29:57,930 place do you just do you plan to always 626 00:30:03,110 --> 00:29:59,790 hang on to it and maintain it and keep 627 00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:03,120 it open that's my plan at this point 628 00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:06,600 until I get too old to do it mm-hmm and 629 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:09,030 I've been discussing with the family 630 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:13,610 about what happens when your mother dies 631 00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:16,170 you know what are you going to do with 632 00:30:20,450 --> 00:30:17,910 the UFO Watchtower because it's 633 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,460 something that I feel should stay it 634 00:30:25,670 --> 00:30:23,760 should be here right I've got all of 635 00:30:29,150 --> 00:30:25,680 them thinking on it but I guess my 636 00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:29,160 daughter-in-law is the one who stepped 637 00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,260 up to the plate and said she'd like to 638 00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,080 run it herself so what may be an option 639 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:36,720 yeah well I wouldn't think it would be a 640 00:30:43,970 --> 00:30:40,170 huge cash cow but it would still be 641 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:43,980 interesting let's see I do have a 642 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:46,730 question on the message board here and 643 00:30:52,130 --> 00:30:50,010 Olli how you doing he wants to know if 644 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:52,140 you can recount the strangest incident 645 00:31:00,200 --> 00:30:57,360 that you've ever had um 646 00:31:02,299 --> 00:31:00,210 I had come over to the house one day and 647 00:31:04,580 --> 00:31:02,309 some of my locals were over at the shop 648 00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,590 and they were watching the firm in it so 649 00:31:08,090 --> 00:31:06,240 I could come do something over here and 650 00:31:11,210 --> 00:31:08,100 I went back over and the gal comes 651 00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:11,220 running out and she says you've got to 652 00:31:14,660 --> 00:31:12,809 get in here quick and I said what's the 653 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:14,670 matter and she said well there's these 654 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:16,410 people in here and they're saying that 655 00:31:26,750 --> 00:31:23,130 they're part aliens and I said well so I 656 00:31:28,250 --> 00:31:26,760 went in and by golly they very well 657 00:31:33,169 --> 00:31:28,260 could have been they were from Canada 658 00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:33,179 there were three of them and and there 659 00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:36,780 was one that was super super tall like 660 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:40,679 skin blond hair and then another whole 661 00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,049 one so it's all blonds 662 00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:46,020 and then yeah but and they call them 663 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:49,110 Nordy because I think yes right anyway 664 00:31:58,190 --> 00:31:51,570 and then the other two were quite a bit 665 00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,200 shorter and nice nice folks you know but 666 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:00,840 they had come to see what a what was 667 00:32:05,539 --> 00:32:02,010 going on here 668 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:05,549 and is it ended up jeez I think I spent 669 00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:08,850 like three hours with them and it was 670 00:32:14,419 --> 00:32:11,880 nothing you know nothing that was to be 671 00:32:17,210 --> 00:32:14,429 afraid of I mean did they actually tell 672 00:32:19,159 --> 00:32:17,220 you that they were aliens yeah they did 673 00:32:20,690 --> 00:32:19,169 and and I've had others Jim that have 674 00:32:25,190 --> 00:32:20,700 said the thing I think so far it had 675 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:25,200 about 11 or 12 and that is that they 676 00:32:29,780 --> 00:32:26,370 were part alien 677 00:32:32,690 --> 00:32:29,790 well that's that's really something 678 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:32,700 now has anyone ever talked about 679 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:37,710 abductions in that area I get lots of 680 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:42,570 abduction stories and in fact I've had a 681 00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:45,090 couple of the campers who said that they 682 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:47,120 thought that they had had an experience 683 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:49,890 over here oh you actually have a camp 684 00:32:56,270 --> 00:32:53,250 ground right there yeah Wow Wow 685 00:33:01,810 --> 00:32:56,280 let's see how far this is from Andy how 686 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:04,430 yeah yeah you're in Colorado that is 687 00:33:08,299 --> 00:33:06,540 quite a ways and the person who asked is 688 00:33:11,270 --> 00:33:08,309 over in the UK so I can understand the 689 00:33:13,940 --> 00:33:11,280 question now has anyone ever spoke 690 00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:13,950 did any black the big black triangles 691 00:33:19,070 --> 00:33:16,260 they always talked about yeah it was a 692 00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:19,080 year ago last December and I got a phone 693 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:20,790 call on this guy 694 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:24,090 he says Judy have you been watching that 695 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:26,370 triangle up by the moon he says it's 696 00:33:31,010 --> 00:33:29,430 been there like three nights he said you 697 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:31,020 need to get out your binoculars and go 698 00:33:36,650 --> 00:33:34,170 look so after it got dark I went out 699 00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:36,660 didn't need binoculars I mean it was so 700 00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:40,080 big really yeah it was just huge and you 701 00:33:43,700 --> 00:33:41,820 can see it with the naked eye and it was 702 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:43,710 there another couple nights and then it 703 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:46,290 just vanished Wow isn't that something 704 00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:49,260 yes we we actually have a amateur 705 00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:50,940 astronomer who helps us out and he's 706 00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,340 talked earlier you probably heard him 707 00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:55,440 and he's on our chat room right now and 708 00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:57,600 he he was out with his telescope and 709 00:34:07,670 --> 00:34:00,720 spotted a big triangle and that kind of 710 00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,680 changed everything for him now you 711 00:34:10,970 --> 00:34:09,480 mentioned earlier that a lot of times it 712 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:10,980 gets twenty below there in the winter 713 00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:13,050 land it's been out here in New England 714 00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:16,230 it's been a terrible winter but do the 715 00:34:23,690 --> 00:34:17,940 but I always think of the winter months 716 00:34:25,820 --> 00:34:23,700 as being crystal clear skies yeah so do 717 00:34:28,370 --> 00:34:25,830 you still go out yourself and check 718 00:34:29,570 --> 00:34:28,380 things on when it's not too cold I try 719 00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:29,580 to yeah 720 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:33,659 but I'm at a point in my life I'm older 721 00:34:40,070 --> 00:34:37,530 now and I get cold yeah and we had a 722 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:40,080 group 26 sightings I mean you know 723 00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:44,130 that's enough you know you can salmon 724 00:34:50,899 --> 00:34:48,419 salmon but each time you see a sighting 725 00:34:53,240 --> 00:34:50,909 even after as many as I've gotten to see 726 00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,250 it's still exciting 727 00:34:58,880 --> 00:34:56,520 oh no I'm absolutely sure now because 728 00:35:02,330 --> 00:34:58,890 the whole valley is so active are there 729 00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,340 any other active hot spots in the valley 730 00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:04,740 or is it mostly what you can see right 731 00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:07,440 out your door no it's all over the 732 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:07,800 valley 733 00:35:14,150 --> 00:35:11,970 I see mm-hmm when I depend upon the 734 00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:14,160 locals to call me if they'd seen 735 00:35:19,340 --> 00:35:17,370 something you know and and a lot of them 736 00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:19,350 do they'll call and say you just won't 737 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:21,840 believe what I saw tonight or there's 738 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:24,450 been a lot of daytime sightings - there 739 00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:25,010 has 740 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:28,340 mm-hmm and during the day are they 741 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:30,650 actually seeing objects because I know 742 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:33,290 you mentioned lights mostly yeah yeah 743 00:35:39,850 --> 00:35:36,290 they're seeing objects and and I had a 744 00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,860 fella he came down nicest guy anyway he 745 00:35:44,110 --> 00:35:42,320 was going through the valley and he's he 746 00:35:46,540 --> 00:35:44,120 spent the night here and he spent the 747 00:35:49,300 --> 00:35:46,550 night down at the other end and but he 748 00:35:54,340 --> 00:35:49,310 it was February 10th so that was just a 749 00:35:59,740 --> 00:35:54,350 couple weeks ago and he was driving all 750 00:36:02,260 --> 00:35:59,750 the 28 miles towards the tower and he 751 00:36:04,510 --> 00:36:02,270 saw something it was about 6 o'clock and 752 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:04,520 he saw these lights he was talking on 753 00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,290 his phone he saw these lighting start 754 00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:09,200 snapping pictures and so we have some of 755 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:12,140 his pictures that he had taken and it's 756 00:36:17,890 --> 00:36:15,530 pretty pretty amazing no besides the 757 00:36:20,190 --> 00:36:17,900 pictures in your little shop there do 758 00:36:22,570 --> 00:36:20,200 you sell little trinkets and gifts to 759 00:36:24,910 --> 00:36:22,580 memorabilia for people that stopped in 760 00:36:30,250 --> 00:36:24,920 there yeah you know we got to pay the 761 00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:30,260 taxes somehow so I charge a little 762 00:36:37,060 --> 00:36:32,960 admission fee and I and sell little 763 00:36:40,060 --> 00:36:37,070 trinkets just to pay my taxes I see I 764 00:36:42,610 --> 00:36:40,070 see now what is it can you recall 765 00:36:45,310 --> 00:36:42,620 someone that just have this happens in 766 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:45,320 any type of location where someone will 767 00:36:49,150 --> 00:36:47,450 come and they just won't go away do you 768 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:49,160 ever have that happen where people are 769 00:36:59,020 --> 00:36:57,070 dealing with it that didn't we have some 770 00:37:05,590 --> 00:36:59,030 that come back year after year and it's 771 00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:05,600 the same thing you know someone on the 772 00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:08,240 message board wonders if you would ever 773 00:37:13,300 --> 00:37:11,540 entertain doing a podcast group at your 774 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:13,310 place or have you ever done anything 775 00:37:19,810 --> 00:37:17,330 like that no and and I'd love to do it 776 00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:19,820 you know I think that would be fun yeah 777 00:37:25,540 --> 00:37:22,910 but we have a conference every year and 778 00:37:31,810 --> 00:37:25,550 this year will be the 26th and 27th of 779 00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:31,820 July that's the closest we get you know 780 00:37:37,210 --> 00:37:33,470 I'm surprised that no one has actually 781 00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:37,220 ever come out there and just you know 782 00:37:40,150 --> 00:37:38,540 made it 783 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:40,160 situation where they were just going to 784 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:42,290 film and film and film and done some 785 00:37:46,810 --> 00:37:44,090 type of documentary I know there was one 786 00:37:48,370 --> 00:37:46,820 on the valley itself but I mean right 787 00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:48,380 there at your spot I mean if there's 788 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:51,680 been that many sightings and what I 789 00:37:56,140 --> 00:37:53,770 consider a rather short period of time 790 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:56,150 you know someone's not out there all the 791 00:38:01,000 --> 00:37:58,130 time and if they could just have you 792 00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:01,010 know some like for instance and Europe 793 00:38:06,490 --> 00:38:05,030 there's a motion-activated I'm trying to 794 00:38:10,420 --> 00:38:06,500 remember the name of the town as US and 795 00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:10,430 where it is a motion-activated science 796 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:13,220 type camera that just takes film 797 00:38:17,740 --> 00:38:15,650 constantly I'm just surprised no one's 798 00:38:20,530 --> 00:38:17,750 uh has anyone ever approached you for an 799 00:38:23,170 --> 00:38:20,540 idea like that well folks have asked me 800 00:38:25,150 --> 00:38:23,180 to put up like a camera hooked up to the 801 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:25,160 computer and have it going 24 hours a 802 00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:29,210 day enough but I don't know what good 803 00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:30,470 that would do here from the house 804 00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:32,150 because we don't have electricity over 805 00:38:38,590 --> 00:38:36,440 it took hours so and there was a reason 806 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:38,600 for that why go to all that expense when 807 00:38:45,310 --> 00:38:41,050 you don't want lights anyway you know oh 808 00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:45,320 that's true yeah so I just never did put 809 00:38:49,660 --> 00:38:47,060 electricity over I did buy some trail 810 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:49,670 cams this year but now it's a matter of 811 00:38:53,980 --> 00:38:51,530 where I can mount them so nobody will 812 00:38:57,370 --> 00:38:53,990 mess with them you know and I imagine 813 00:39:00,400 --> 00:38:57,380 your your tower had to be really secure 814 00:39:03,790 --> 00:39:00,410 in safety in mind too because I know how 815 00:39:05,860 --> 00:39:03,800 these insurance companies are so do you 816 00:39:10,860 --> 00:39:05,870 have to upkeep it or is it just it's 817 00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:10,870 metal isn't it yeah made out of pipe and 818 00:39:21,220 --> 00:39:18,050 expanded metal like a batting cage yeah 819 00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,230 and you mentioned earlier in the show 820 00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:24,560 that there was several photos of UFO 821 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:27,800 sightings is would you guess how many 822 00:39:33,550 --> 00:39:29,450 that you have in there that people can 823 00:39:35,940 --> 00:39:33,560 look at oh wow probably close to about a 824 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:35,950 hundred I guess not all of them are from 825 00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:37,970 from the valley I mean there's some 826 00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:40,580 other places as well oh I see and now 827 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:42,200 these frame things are just you know 828 00:39:48,460 --> 00:39:45,290 just like photographs and also can 829 00:39:51,310 --> 00:39:48,470 people buy any of those copies or is it 830 00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:51,320 just for display all of its just for 831 00:39:54,970 --> 00:39:52,490 display I have a 832 00:39:56,470 --> 00:39:54,980 a notebook where I got a lot of them in 833 00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:56,480 there and I will go through the notebook 834 00:40:02,230 --> 00:39:58,610 with people you know just bringing what 835 00:40:04,540 --> 00:40:02,240 it is that they're looking at but I've 836 00:40:08,350 --> 00:40:04,550 never thought of well I did one time I 837 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:08,360 thought Jesus oughta sell right then it 838 00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:11,290 didn't so I didn't try to do it again 839 00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:17,750 know where your ranch is and the whole 840 00:40:21,609 --> 00:40:18,950 surrounding area 841 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:21,619 I'm sure there's I just picture that 842 00:40:27,220 --> 00:40:23,450 there's a lot of old-timers that have 843 00:40:29,770 --> 00:40:27,230 been there forever was there talk like a 844 00:40:35,260 --> 00:40:29,780 history going way back there on 845 00:40:37,330 --> 00:40:35,270 sightings yeah I have a friend a friend 846 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:37,340 who's a farmer but her grandfather used 847 00:40:43,060 --> 00:40:40,730 to tell her about the Train light is 848 00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:43,070 what he called it it came through music 849 00:40:50,140 --> 00:40:46,070 paths and he is to see it all the time 850 00:40:52,660 --> 00:40:50,150 back in the 40s and the thing with that 851 00:40:54,970 --> 00:40:52,670 is there's no roads up to music paths 852 00:40:58,030 --> 00:40:54,980 the only access is by horseback and 853 00:41:02,050 --> 00:40:58,040 there's no way somebody could carry a 854 00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:02,060 huge light you know not big we could see 855 00:41:07,870 --> 00:41:05,420 it from from where we are so yeah we've 856 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:07,880 heard that I had a went up to the coffee 857 00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:11,210 shop one one day and one of the farmers 858 00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,100 was up there with his nephews and he 859 00:41:18,609 --> 00:41:16,880 said you know that lady is putting that 860 00:41:23,290 --> 00:41:18,619 thing up down the road and I said yeah 861 00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:23,300 and he said well I thought someone so 862 00:41:28,060 --> 00:41:25,910 never did tell the family about it but 863 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:28,070 he described it as he was out changing 864 00:41:35,410 --> 00:41:30,650 irrigation 2 to 4 o'clock in the morning 865 00:41:38,609 --> 00:41:35,420 and the bright light appeared and all 866 00:41:41,530 --> 00:41:38,619 the irrigation water turned blood red 867 00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:41,540 and then yeah and then the light went 868 00:41:45,310 --> 00:41:43,720 away and everything was back to normal 869 00:41:48,940 --> 00:41:45,320 that's bizarre 870 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:48,950 and then I've I've had farmers tell me 871 00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:50,570 how they're driving down one of the back 872 00:41:54,970 --> 00:41:52,730 roads and all of a sudden there was a 873 00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:54,980 saucer-shaped object next to him just 874 00:42:00,580 --> 00:41:56,540 keeping right up with them going down 875 00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:00,590 the road Wow and do you know of like the 876 00:42:07,510 --> 00:42:03,830 earliest known sighting in the sightings 877 00:42:12,340 --> 00:42:07,520 in the area I think it was the 7th 878 00:42:14,910 --> 00:42:12,350 the 17 was at the Spanish yes and that 879 00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:14,920 was they documented what they had seen 880 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:17,180 but I don't have any more detail than 881 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:18,890 that I don't know what it was that they 882 00:42:26,050 --> 00:42:20,930 said that they saw but from what I 883 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:26,060 understand it was the 1700 now one thing 884 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:30,170 I just thought of has her has there ever 885 00:42:34,270 --> 00:42:32,450 been any time when like when you had 886 00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:34,280 your cattle there were they were 887 00:42:41,950 --> 00:42:37,430 reacting or acting strange or anything 888 00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:41,960 like that no but we rented some land 889 00:42:48,180 --> 00:42:44,960 west of us to bring the cows down put on 890 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:48,190 it before we've got our fences 'im and 891 00:42:54,100 --> 00:42:51,530 the farmer gave me a colony said well JD 892 00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:54,110 says hope your pens ready because I want 893 00:42:59,440 --> 00:42:56,390 to put my cows on there and this was in 894 00:43:02,380 --> 00:42:59,450 August and he said some you need to move 895 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:02,390 them and I said oh okay so we got 896 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:04,010 everything in order and we move the cows 897 00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:05,930 well in October they had a cattle 898 00:43:13,930 --> 00:43:10,820 mutilation really we just had that come 899 00:43:16,450 --> 00:43:13,940 up on the message board so whether other 900 00:43:18,610 --> 00:43:16,460 mutilations there as well they have 901 00:43:20,530 --> 00:43:18,620 estimated ten to fifteen thousand 902 00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:20,540 mutilations in this valley and northern 903 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:25,040 New Mexico so they're still going on I 904 00:43:30,420 --> 00:43:28,130 mean it's nothing that has stopped do I 905 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:30,430 think it's extraterrestrial no I don't 906 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:33,260 so I said if it was you'd have heard a 907 00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:34,970 lot about them long before the 908 00:43:40,510 --> 00:43:37,790 civilization but I'm not an expert on it 909 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:40,520 you know again I try to reason things 910 00:43:47,140 --> 00:43:45,440 out in my own mind right I I have to 911 00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:47,150 that that's something I would actually 912 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:49,700 like to do a show on if I can at some 913 00:43:55,330 --> 00:43:52,310 point to talk to someone about the 914 00:43:58,570 --> 00:43:55,340 mutilations because you know there's 915 00:44:00,280 --> 00:43:58,580 there's all types of explanations that 916 00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:00,290 people think they can have but you know 917 00:44:05,890 --> 00:44:02,830 when it comes to some really bizarre 918 00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:05,900 ones where you know there's no tracks 919 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:09,620 around there's no sign of any blood you 920 00:44:16,450 --> 00:44:11,810 know there's it just you know there's 921 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:16,460 just another puzzle mm-hmm and the one I 922 00:44:22,300 --> 00:44:20,150 got to go see I think it was in 2004 923 00:44:25,720 --> 00:44:22,310 but anyway oh you actually saw it 924 00:44:27,310 --> 00:44:25,730 yourself yeah the rancher his wife 925 00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:27,320 called me and said we've had a 926 00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:29,120 mutilation did you want to convey and I 927 00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:33,500 said yeah I go but the rancher said that 928 00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:37,040 the day before they found the cow that 929 00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:38,780 there was all kinds of military aircraft 930 00:44:43,900 --> 00:44:41,600 flying around the ranch well and then 931 00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:43,910 the next morning they found this noodley 932 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:45,230 account and it was really strange 933 00:44:53,890 --> 00:44:50,090 because she had a baby and that baby 934 00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:53,900 would not go near her and see that's 935 00:44:59,380 --> 00:44:57,050 unusual I mean whether a mom is dead or 936 00:45:02,440 --> 00:44:59,390 alive the cap always stays right with 937 00:45:05,740 --> 00:45:02,450 mama and that baby would not go near her 938 00:45:09,310 --> 00:45:05,750 and so while we were there about 20 cows 939 00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:09,320 made a big circle around her and one by 940 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:11,180 one they would step forward and jump 941 00:45:15,340 --> 00:45:13,010 back step forward and jump back it was 942 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:15,350 just bizarre their behavior was crazy 943 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:20,290 but but anyway yeah I got to see one no 944 00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:22,930 so you said you didn't think they were 945 00:45:32,710 --> 00:45:31,370 extraterrestrial what what do you thing 946 00:45:34,780 --> 00:45:32,720 and I'm probably going to get in trouble 947 00:45:36,850 --> 00:45:34,790 for saying that you could say anything 948 00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,860 you want and there was a question that 949 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:39,710 just came came up on the board was has 950 00:45:46,300 --> 00:45:43,250 there been any government are you aware 951 00:45:48,850 --> 00:45:46,310 of in the area or military and you're 952 00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:48,860 kind of answering that just go ahead and 953 00:45:53,530 --> 00:45:50,390 if you would explain why you think that 954 00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:53,540 besides up you said there were military 955 00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,810 craft or helicopters or something is 956 00:46:01,480 --> 00:45:58,160 there other reasons you think that 957 00:46:04,750 --> 00:46:01,490 military involved in that yeah I had a 958 00:46:07,060 --> 00:46:04,760 woman call me and she said I just wanted 959 00:46:09,660 --> 00:46:07,070 you to know that I just saw one a 960 00:46:13,180 --> 00:46:09,670 military aircraft drop immune elated cow 961 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:13,190 and see I had been thinking this all 962 00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,700 along and and then she called me and 963 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:19,520 verified it no I why would the military 964 00:46:24,630 --> 00:46:21,890 do that that's the question that comes 965 00:46:27,570 --> 00:46:24,640 to mind for me like what purpose would 966 00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:27,580 the military have for mutilating a cow 967 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:30,980 well I think that they are doing spot 968 00:46:35,530 --> 00:46:33,530 checks for radiation there 969 00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:35,540 season one that I got to go see she was 970 00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:37,520 near an old radioactive waste dump 971 00:46:41,130 --> 00:46:39,350 you have to look at the parts of an 972 00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:41,140 animal that would hold the radiation 973 00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:43,760 those are the parts that we're missing 974 00:46:51,310 --> 00:46:48,110 on her and it was like the skin was all 975 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:51,320 burned along the side of her face the 976 00:46:55,330 --> 00:46:53,810 pituitary gland the thyroid gland the 977 00:46:58,900 --> 00:46:55,340 tongue and part of the brain were gone 978 00:47:01,480 --> 00:46:58,910 well when an animal is grazing what 979 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:01,490 parts of that body would hold radiation 980 00:47:10,090 --> 00:47:07,850 or radioactive material so in any way I 981 00:47:16,690 --> 00:47:10,100 said to get a lot of time to think out 982 00:47:19,240 --> 00:47:16,700 here in the boonies you know well you 983 00:47:21,850 --> 00:47:19,250 know it that kind of just reminds me of 984 00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:21,860 one thing I heard about well when I read 985 00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:26,720 the book of the skinwalker ranch and how 986 00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:29,570 this cow was just dropped headfirst into 987 00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,000 a hole and they have no and was 988 00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:34,400 mutilated and they had no idea it was 989 00:47:38,980 --> 00:47:36,050 like it was picked up by something and 990 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:38,990 dropped into a hole so when you said 991 00:47:43,210 --> 00:47:41,210 that this helicopter picked it up and 992 00:47:45,790 --> 00:47:43,220 dropped it why would they pick it up and 993 00:47:49,180 --> 00:47:45,800 drop it I mean well I think they picked 994 00:47:51,370 --> 00:47:49,190 it up did their testing and then put it 995 00:47:54,190 --> 00:47:51,380 back close to where they had gotten it 996 00:47:56,350 --> 00:47:54,200 from and see a lot of times all four 997 00:48:01,210 --> 00:47:56,360 legs on the animal or broke so how are 998 00:48:03,700 --> 00:48:01,220 the legs get broke I see and let's say 999 00:48:05,650 --> 00:48:03,710 there's a question on the board and it 1000 00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:05,660 says don't you think the military would 1001 00:48:10,180 --> 00:48:08,030 just raise their own cows to check out 1002 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:10,190 but you're talking about these cows are 1003 00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:12,770 out in areas where they're possibly had 1004 00:48:21,070 --> 00:48:15,260 testing or something at one time yeah 1005 00:48:23,050 --> 00:48:21,080 and after owning animals myself if 1006 00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:23,060 somebody wanted one of the animals and 1007 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:24,920 this is something that is people are 1008 00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:27,590 thrown at me is well the military or the 1009 00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:31,550 government isn't going to want anybody 1010 00:48:38,350 --> 00:48:34,880 to know what they're doing so that's why 1011 00:48:40,690 --> 00:48:38,360 they won't go by the animal and I say 1012 00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:40,700 that's taking a food out of that farmers 1013 00:48:49,870 --> 00:48:48,069 if somebody would have walked up to my 1014 00:48:50,410 --> 00:48:49,880 front door and said here's a thousand 1015 00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:50,420 bucks 1016 00:48:55,749 --> 00:48:52,880 I want that towel and I'd say let me 1017 00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:55,759 help you load it you know I wouldn't I 1018 00:49:01,920 --> 00:48:57,170 wouldn't have questioned who they were 1019 00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:01,930 anything else so yeah I don't get it but 1020 00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:05,689 I've had other talk show hosts say to me 1021 00:49:09,939 --> 00:49:08,150 Lauren don't you think the government 1022 00:49:13,150 --> 00:49:09,949 doesn't want the American public to 1023 00:49:17,259 --> 00:49:13,160 panic well you know I'm gonna panic not 1024 00:49:20,759 --> 00:49:17,269 knowing hmm I I don't I don't see why 1025 00:49:23,380 --> 00:49:20,769 there would be any any idea like that 1026 00:49:26,380 --> 00:49:23,390 has any of it this is another question 1027 00:49:30,219 --> 00:49:26,390 on the board has any of your cattle ever 1028 00:49:33,339 --> 00:49:30,229 gone missing when you had them no nope 1029 00:49:34,929 --> 00:49:33,349 so this was all post your when your 1030 00:49:40,809 --> 00:49:34,939 cattle were gone and you had your tower 1031 00:49:44,499 --> 00:49:40,819 up yeah and well yeah pretty much 1032 00:49:46,209 --> 00:49:44,509 though the see we have all of our 1033 00:49:49,479 --> 00:49:46,219 animals we had them all right here in 1034 00:49:50,979 --> 00:49:49,489 front of the house so I think that makes 1035 00:49:54,699 --> 00:49:50,989 a difference when you have them closer 1036 00:49:56,799 --> 00:49:54,709 to home yeah I guess it would be a 1037 00:49:58,569 --> 00:49:56,809 little more difficult for you know 1038 00:50:01,359 --> 00:49:58,579 someone to come in there but another 1039 00:50:04,299 --> 00:50:01,369 thing that kind of gets me if these say 1040 00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,309 your thoughts about the military if they 1041 00:50:08,109 --> 00:50:06,559 would come in in a helicopter I would 1042 00:50:10,419 --> 00:50:08,119 think that it would just cause so much 1043 00:50:12,599 --> 00:50:10,429 of a ruckus that I mean is it that 1044 00:50:18,939 --> 00:50:12,609 remote that they can actually do that 1045 00:50:21,689 --> 00:50:18,949 yeah and maybe it's not a helicopter 1046 00:50:25,390 --> 00:50:21,699 maybe it's another kind of aircraft but 1047 00:50:28,479 --> 00:50:25,400 but you know that the black helicopters 1048 00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:28,489 fly over here in pairs periodically 1049 00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:31,400 they'll fly over my towers circle around 1050 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:36,609 and fly back they are not that loud and 1051 00:50:43,390 --> 00:50:40,729 here a couple years ago I had two f-16s 1052 00:50:45,699 --> 00:50:43,400 flew over and that surprised me because 1053 00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:45,709 you would think it would just blow your 1054 00:50:49,569 --> 00:50:48,049 eardrums you know but they were so low 1055 00:50:52,509 --> 00:50:49,579 as somebody bent up on that tower they 1056 00:50:54,249 --> 00:50:52,519 could it touched them Wow we had someone 1057 00:50:57,489 --> 00:50:54,259 on the message board that actually made 1058 00:50:58,539 --> 00:50:57,499 a pretty good point and that is you 1059 00:51:00,520 --> 00:50:58,549 would think that they would just take 1060 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:00,530 the cow away and not bring it back 1061 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:03,930 yeah you would think so 1062 00:51:06,890 --> 00:51:05,430 why would you think they would bring it 1063 00:51:09,650 --> 00:51:06,900 back you know me and that is a good 1064 00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:09,660 question I don't know maybe they would 1065 00:51:16,250 --> 00:51:13,980 have a place to dispose of it well yeah 1066 00:51:18,860 --> 00:51:16,260 but also to me it would just seem like 1067 00:51:23,570 --> 00:51:18,870 it would just cause more questions or 1068 00:51:26,410 --> 00:51:23,580 they would it's possible and you know 1069 00:51:29,570 --> 00:51:26,420 maybe they can just you know the average 1070 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:29,580 comment two Academy relations as you 1071 00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:31,650 know predators and maybe that's what 1072 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:33,330 they're just hoping that people just 1073 00:51:39,620 --> 00:51:36,810 think yeah I had a fella come into this 1074 00:51:42,290 --> 00:51:39,630 shop he was he was one of the local 1075 00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:42,300 cowboys and they looked at my mutilation 1076 00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:46,110 picture and he said magpie did that and 1077 00:51:51,980 --> 00:51:47,880 I thought all good now they have 1078 00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:51,990 scissors for being yeah this bag pie I 1079 00:51:56,900 --> 00:51:53,640 remember them out there there they are 1080 00:52:01,130 --> 00:51:56,910 pretty vicious birds yeah but you know 1081 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:01,140 when when the skin is not torn you know 1082 00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:04,890 and anytime a bird has to get some get 1083 00:52:08,270 --> 00:52:06,180 the skin off or whatever 1084 00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:08,280 I mean don't start tugging at it it's 1085 00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:12,690 going to tear and the skin was not torn 1086 00:52:17,930 --> 00:52:16,020 on this cow it was like somebody used a 1087 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:17,940 laser or something and just burned the 1088 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:21,330 whole thing around okay now I know I'm 1089 00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:23,490 getting way off topic here but when you 1090 00:52:29,570 --> 00:52:27,420 first move there and did you you brought 1091 00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:29,580 all the cattle with you or you bought 1092 00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:32,970 cattle what was your intentions the 1093 00:52:39,650 --> 00:52:35,250 intention was to raise Highland cattle 1094 00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:39,660 and so Stan and I started a little herd 1095 00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:43,440 when I lived in golden and then we kept 1096 00:52:48,020 --> 00:52:44,910 buying more and more and more and these 1097 00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,030 they kept reproducing so by the time I 1098 00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:50,940 sold them there was we had about 70 head 1099 00:52:57,110 --> 00:52:52,500 oh I see 1100 00:52:59,030 --> 00:52:57,120 uh-huh yeah okay well we got about five 1101 00:53:00,770 --> 00:52:59,040 minutes left or something like that I'm 1102 00:53:03,170 --> 00:53:00,780 going to take a look at the message 1103 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:03,180 board and see if we have any questions 1104 00:53:09,530 --> 00:53:07,410 and I would like for you to tell the 1105 00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:09,540 listeners basically how they can find 1106 00:53:13,580 --> 00:53:11,970 you and if they're on a trip across 1107 00:53:15,710 --> 00:53:13,590 country 1108 00:53:18,980 --> 00:53:15,720 just just go ahead and explain first of 1109 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:18,990 all your website is it's UFO Watchtower 1110 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:23,250 calm and we're located in the San Luis 1111 00:53:28,940 --> 00:53:25,730 Valley which is southwestern Colorado 1112 00:53:34,510 --> 00:53:28,950 we're 22 and a half miles north of 1113 00:53:38,660 --> 00:53:34,520 Alamosa we're 200 miles south of Denver 1114 00:53:46,070 --> 00:53:38,670 that helps many yep and we're located 1115 00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:46,080 right on highway 17 and you get on 17 1116 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:50,700 through 160 there now a mosa not 1117 00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:53,970 difficult to find and if you're like I 1118 00:53:58,460 --> 00:53:55,590 mentioned earlier when I was coming up 1119 00:54:01,550 --> 00:53:58,470 from the Taos area in New Mexico is 1120 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:01,560 there a route that actually goes toward 1121 00:54:05,690 --> 00:54:04,410 your place from there yeah if you get 1122 00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:05,700 over to 285 1123 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:09,570 they'll take 285 north to 160 go east on 1124 00:54:17,060 --> 00:54:13,410 162 highway 17 I see uh-huh 1125 00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:17,070 and another question on the board Eric 1126 00:54:20,510 --> 00:54:18,570 wants to know do people actually come 1127 00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:20,520 there with their own telescopes - oh 1128 00:54:26,420 --> 00:54:24,180 yeah and what we'll have groups would 1129 00:54:28,670 --> 00:54:26,430 like to do the night watching and 1130 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:28,680 they'll come with their telescope just 1131 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:30,930 sit out there and see what they could 1132 00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:33,810 see oh that's great and do you ever have 1133 00:54:40,370 --> 00:54:36,810 any like astronomy people come there or 1134 00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,380 or just people curious about UFOs no 1135 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:42,480 we've had the astronomy people come I 1136 00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:44,450 had a professor who taught astronomy 1137 00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:47,040 from back east used to come here all the 1138 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:51,860 time but I think he retired but anyway 1139 00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:55,410 no in your with your knowledge does 1140 00:55:01,160 --> 00:54:57,930 anyone ever pointed a laser out at one 1141 00:55:02,750 --> 00:55:01,170 of these lights in the sky yeah we're 1142 00:55:05,930 --> 00:55:02,760 talking about Steven Greer's group 1143 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:05,940 mm-hmm okay we had a group of them come 1144 00:55:14,420 --> 00:55:08,970 one night and they brought the high 1145 00:55:16,370 --> 00:55:14,430 powered flashlights so anyway according 1146 00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,380 to Steven Greer you can communicate with 1147 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:17,520 a flashlight 1148 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:20,450 now whoever did you watch him in action 1149 00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,730 Steven no I watched his students his 1150 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:26,400 students okay yeah but they they saw a 1151 00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:27,330 light off to the 1152 00:55:32,300 --> 00:55:29,910 they ply shedded twice these are 1153 00:55:32,660 --> 00:55:32,310 ambassadors to the universe am I saying 1154 00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:32,670 that right 1155 00:55:38,090 --> 00:55:35,970 I don't know I think I think they call 1156 00:55:39,290 --> 00:55:38,100 them that ambassadors to the universe I 1157 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:39,300 think you get a certificate and 1158 00:55:47,780 --> 00:55:44,690 anyway they fly said it twice to slice 1159 00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:47,790 back twice then it moved they find that 1160 00:55:54,980 --> 00:55:50,490 it twice it slides back twice it moved 1161 00:55:56,780 --> 00:55:54,990 again in the same scenario so yeah and 1162 00:55:58,570 --> 00:55:56,790 that was with those funnels no you 1163 00:56:01,700 --> 00:55:58,580 empower lights or whatever they aren't 1164 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:01,710 now have you ever had any like men and 1165 00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:03,810 black or government people actually come 1166 00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:05,760 there and ask you specific questions of 1167 00:56:11,780 --> 00:56:08,370 any kind I don't think they would tell 1168 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:11,790 me who they were yeah but I did find out 1169 00:56:16,430 --> 00:56:13,560 in the garden I tell folks to leave 1170 00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:16,440 stuff in the garden okay and I found out 1171 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:18,750 in the garden a business card from a guy 1172 00:56:23,810 --> 00:56:21,570 who was in the FBI he actually left his 1173 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:23,820 business card yeah I even put a phone 1174 00:56:30,610 --> 00:56:25,290 number on it and everybody's saying Judy 1175 00:56:36,110 --> 00:56:34,070 that's great that's great so I bet you 1176 00:56:40,310 --> 00:56:36,120 you know going back you can I you can 1177 00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:40,320 have thoughts of some real comical 1178 00:56:44,060 --> 00:56:41,610 people that have been there some 1179 00:56:46,100 --> 00:56:44,070 interesting people so overall this has 1180 00:56:49,550 --> 00:56:46,110 been a really big treat for you to do 1181 00:56:51,170 --> 00:56:49,560 this oh yeah down in the winter I just 1182 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:51,180 can't hardly wait for summer to get here 1183 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:51,690 at Danica's 1184 00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:54,450 I enjoy all the people yeah and there is 1185 00:57:00,830 --> 00:56:57,960 a link on my website to see an interview 1186 00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:00,840 that was done through vice did you see 1187 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:04,200 the link on there no I'm sorry I didn't 1188 00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:08,850 I missed that but yeah well it's it's on 1189 00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,400 the website just click on it says the 1190 00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:13,920 vise interview but they get a really 1191 00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:14,940 really good job 1192 00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:18,000 oh it's just a video interview it's on 1193 00:57:26,270 --> 00:57:21,330 YouTube uh-huh now you have a Facebook 1194 00:57:30,530 --> 00:57:26,280 page too yes okay go ahead UFO 1195 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:30,540 Watchtower yeah or Judy met the line and 1196 00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:34,410 I have two pages I see uh-huh well very 1197 00:57:39,830 --> 00:57:36,390 good Judy you've been you've been a lot 1198 00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:39,840 of fun and I wish you best of luck out 1199 00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:40,860 there and 1200 00:57:48,740 --> 00:57:45,990 stay away from the cattle okay and 1201 00:57:51,140 --> 00:57:48,750 thanks so much again it's been a real 1202 00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:51,150 pleasure thank you for your time - 1203 00:57:59,210 --> 00:57:55,650 Martin do that take care you too bye-bye 1204 00:58:01,400 --> 00:57:59,220 well that's it the show today if you 1205 00:58:04,670 --> 00:58:01,410 missed any part of this show you can 1206 00:58:07,070 --> 00:58:04,680 catch it as a podcast and a whole bunch 1207 00:58:10,100 --> 00:58:07,080 of other free podcasts on our website 1208 00:58:11,330 --> 00:58:10,110 which is podcast UFO calm I want to 1209 00:58:13,820 --> 00:58:11,340 thank all the people that have been on 1210 00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:13,830 the chatroom tonight and your questions 1211 00:58:19,340 --> 00:58:16,110 I really appreciate that you can also 1212 00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:19,350 check out links and stories in our show 1213 00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:21,300 notes as well as joining in the 1214 00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:24,450 conversation on the 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